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barack obama has got to have a completely different air about him. he's got to be a combatant, not a visitor. >> reporter: president obama and mr. romney actually have two debates remaining. one on october 16th on long island, and the last one six days later in florida. there's also one vice presidential debate a week from tonight in kentucky. derek. >> we'll be watching them all. cbs news has learned that investigators are looking into the possibility that a border patrol agent killed earlier this week died from friendly fire. nicholas ivie and two other agents came under attack just north of the border near birkz sbee, arizona. this word comes from mexican police as they've arrested two people. >>> d.c. police confirm they're investigating allegations that a guard sexually assaulted an inmate. sources tell wtop radio the allegations are that a guard removed an inmate from his cell, took him to an area where there are no security cameras and assaulted him. those sources also say a second guard witnessed the assault but did not report it. >>> tonight
barack obama has got to have a completely different air about him. he's got to be a combatant, not a visitor. >> reporter: president obama and mr. romney actually have two debates remaining. one on october 16th on long island, and the last one six days later in florida. there's also one vice presidential debate a week from tonight in kentucky. derek. >> we'll be watching them all. cbs news has learned that investigators are looking into the possibility that a border patrol agent...
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instead, this is what president obama said. >> obama: um um, um, and um, and and um, now, um um, you know that may not-- >> cenk: oooh! because of that he found himself in the middle of a ring going hey, what's going on? where did mitt go? oh no, he's on the top rung. we didn't want to see that. we didn't want to see that. then mitt romney sets him up perfectly. you know you got to mention bain. you got to mention the cayman islands and the swiss bank accounts. >> you say you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas. look i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. maybe i need to get a new accountant but the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas-- >> cenk: i might need a new accountant? that's on a platter. had you go on, president obama hit it out. >> um, um, um. >> cenk: oooh, he's back in the middle of the ring. he's looking around for romney and it's this--oh, dammit. dammit. all right then what president obama that drives me crazy the most the constant agreement with republicans. this is all from last night's debate. watch. >>
instead, this is what president obama said. >> obama: um um, um, and um, and and um, now, um um, you know that may not-- >> cenk: oooh! because of that he found himself in the middle of a ring going hey, what's going on? where did mitt go? oh no, he's on the top rung. we didn't want to see that. we didn't want to see that. then mitt romney sets him up perfectly. you know you got to mention bain. you got to mention the cayman islands and the swiss bank accounts. >> you say you...
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obama took a licking last night. the public knows that and now to suggest that the facts support what his position is supposed to be i don't think carries. >> you know, i got to ask you a personal question about the president. you know, i do look up to him in so many ways. when i'm with him i say to myself and i do this objectively, i list be to him after he's briefed us on something, this guy ought to be president. he has the command of the issues. he has scope. he has relevance. he can talk to you as regular person in common english as well as the wonk talk. he has an iq that is way up there. yet last night he was tongue tied. he let the other guy own the room. what do you think was on his mind before we get on to romney. i know you think a lot about this and care a lot, mayor. >> i think what happened last night is i think barack obama frankly went to sleep. he had anticipated being perceived as arrogant, being perceived as a genius, being perceived as taking advantage of a lesser, and he decided to back off of al
obama took a licking last night. the public knows that and now to suggest that the facts support what his position is supposed to be i don't think carries. >> you know, i got to ask you a personal question about the president. you know, i do look up to him in so many ways. when i'm with him i say to myself and i do this objectively, i list be to him after he's briefed us on something, this guy ought to be president. he has the command of the issues. he has scope. he has relevance. he can...
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at obama when obama was talking to him, much better than when obama was talking and looking down, like he was being lectured. i think we have to talk about the debate and the debate rules and the moderator. you know, the idea -- they were very excited, the debate commissioned about the 15-minute pods to allow more exchange. but it allowed more, longer speeches and talking points. jim lehrer, a man for whom i have tremendous esteem, seemed to lose control of the debate, occasionally. he seemed to throw something out there to keep the conversation going, sometimes it seemed to be helping obama, like saying, you are for a balanced approach of tax cuts and spending -- tax increases and spending cuts, and that really seemed to lose some control. as far as the issues were concerned, there were a couple of -- i can't say whoppers, but there were a couple of points. one was medicare. and on that issue, romney was right. when he said that $716 billion in cuts was going to affect benefits, the fact is, it would affect benefits, the actuary says, let me see if i can find tin practice, providers c
at obama when obama was talking to him, much better than when obama was talking and looking down, like he was being lectured. i think we have to talk about the debate and the debate rules and the moderator. you know, the idea -- they were very excited, the debate commissioned about the 15-minute pods to allow more exchange. but it allowed more, longer speeches and talking points. jim lehrer, a man for whom i have tremendous esteem, seemed to lose control of the debate, occasionally. he seemed...
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if obama care is repealed. how would you replace it? >> actually it's a lengthy description but, number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. >> what a machine, the etch a sketch. but one question for governor romney -- h how do you draw battle lines if they're all going to be dotted? where do you stand? >> i can't figure it out. >> well, you know walls of obfuscation, my friend. the question is, can romney make this pivot, which seem to be towards the center at this point in the game, and win over independent voters? >> look, there are very few really big moments in campaign. last night was one of those moments. there are a lot of people who have not been watching as much tape as your producers apparently have. give romney his due. he had a very compelling night. he crisply delivered his points. he was conversational. he had command of the policy and the facts. and it's up to president obama now to put him to where his record and
if obama care is repealed. how would you replace it? >> actually it's a lengthy description but, number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. >> what a machine, the etch a sketch. but one question for governor romney -- h how do you draw battle lines if they're all going to be dotted? where do you stand? >> i can't figure it out. >> well, you know walls of obfuscation, my friend. the...
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so for the romney campaign they want you to think 8.1% unemployment and think barack obama and the obama campaign wants you to think 47%. they want you to think of romney's effective tax rate at 14%. but the president didn't go there tonight. he missed those opportunities and left an opening for the romney campaign. >> pelley: >> pelley: juliana, thank you very much. joining us right now is major garrett from "national journal." one of the subjects covered tonight was health care, the affordable care act which some people call obamacare a term the president endorsed tonight. he said he liked that term. i wonder what you thought of the cases that were made by governor romney and the president on health care. >> scott great to be with you. i thought the health care debate was a prism into which to look at the entire economic debate which this debate was focused on largely. but health care talked about jobs, mitt romney said the president's health care law will cost jobs. the president said no it will provide jobs and security. so you saw strong contrast between the perceptions of what the
so for the romney campaign they want you to think 8.1% unemployment and think barack obama and the obama campaign wants you to think 47%. they want you to think of romney's effective tax rate at 14%. but the president didn't go there tonight. he missed those opportunities and left an opening for the romney campaign. >> pelley: >> pelley: juliana, thank you very much. joining us right now is major garrett from "national journal." one of the subjects covered tonight was...
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what's the obama white house saying about all of this? >> they're effectively saying that the economy, while it's still weak, is showing signs that the president's policies are working, that his agenda is finally getting traction in the economy. here's what the president had to say. >> there are too many middle class families that are still struggling to pay the bills. they were struggling long before the crisis hit. but today's news certainly is not an excuse to try and talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> that was friday right after the jobs numbers came out. i'll point out two meaningful things about those jobs numbers. one, you recall when his stimulus plan came out somebody in his administration said with the stimulus plan. it was never a promise, a projection. symbolically it's meaningful this is now below 8%. also now it's fallen for the first time not because fewer people are looking for jobs. actually, the number of people looking for jobs r
what's the obama white house saying about all of this? >> they're effectively saying that the economy, while it's still weak, is showing signs that the president's policies are working, that his agenda is finally getting traction in the economy. here's what the president had to say. >> there are too many middle class families that are still struggling to pay the bills. they were struggling long before the crisis hit. but today's news certainly is not an excuse to try and talk down...
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but the fact that i had to point that out on the air tonight is an illustration of what barack obama didn't do. the president frankly should have been politely in his face, saying that's not accurate, just like the presentation about romney's health care program. the president should have merely said the governor is being a hypocrite. he did this in massachusetts. and the president frankly didn't do that tonight. i think that's the reason that people said that they gave the nod to mitt romney tonight. in the end, we've seen how people are going to vote in november. we've got two more debates to do. i think you'll see a different barack obama in two weeks. >> joe is going to be with us next week for the vice presidential debate, giving us analysis then. >> thanks so much. >>> you know, it would take hours for a full debate fact check, so we're just going to look at two, courtesy of the associated press. president obama suggested that the united states will save money by winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. the truth? the wars were funded with borrowed money, so ending them o
but the fact that i had to point that out on the air tonight is an illustration of what barack obama didn't do. the president frankly should have been politely in his face, saying that's not accurate, just like the presentation about romney's health care program. the president should have merely said the governor is being a hypocrite. he did this in massachusetts. and the president frankly didn't do that tonight. i think that's the reason that people said that they gave the nod to mitt romney...
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he was more aggressive nan obama was. in in situation, especially, president obama should have lifted the face up and given him face time, but he chose to -- gerri: what about the audience though. >> he did. he spoke into the camera. you look into a camera, and you talk to them. he did that. he just didn't do it enough. gerri: lrpt. republican national committee came out with this, what they call the smirk. i want to show it to you. this is fascinating. listen to this. we're having a few issues. >> i'll talk about it. i know what you're talking about. it's interesting that they would call that the smirk because romney -- gerri: right there. >> yes, romney's the one famous for the smirk. it's like they are trying to turn the tails saying, look what obama did now. he does smirk, but his smirk is a tightening of the mouth, his way of saying i don't agree with you, and roleny keeps that smirk on the face all the time. both need to work on the neutral expression. that means what do i look like when the other person is speaking
he was more aggressive nan obama was. in in situation, especially, president obama should have lifted the face up and given him face time, but he chose to -- gerri: what about the audience though. >> he did. he spoke into the camera. you look into a camera, and you talk to them. he did that. he just didn't do it enough. gerri: lrpt. republican national committee came out with this, what they call the smirk. i want to show it to you. this is fascinating. listen to this. we're having a few...
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where was obama tonight? he should watch -- well not just "hardball", rachel, he should watch you, the reverend al, lawrence, there's a hot debate going on in this country, here on this network is where we're having the debate. we have our knives out we go after the people and the facts. what was he doing tonight? he went in there disarmed. he was wait an hour and a half, i think i can get through this thing. where as romney. i loved the split screen, staring at obama, addressing him. he did it just right. i'm coming at an incumbent. i've got to beat him. and i don't care what this guy moderator whatever he think he ises because i'm going to ignore him. what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning tonight. that's my thought. >> you give him five more of these nights, forget it. >> it puts the pressure on the president. >> obama should wash msnbc. he will learn something every night. this stuff we're watching, this is like first grade to most of us. we know all of this stuff. >> i was in front of a
where was obama tonight? he should watch -- well not just "hardball", rachel, he should watch you, the reverend al, lawrence, there's a hot debate going on in this country, here on this network is where we're having the debate. we have our knives out we go after the people and the facts. what was he doing tonight? he went in there disarmed. he was wait an hour and a half, i think i can get through this thing. where as romney. i loved the split screen, staring at obama, addressing him....
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i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. these appliances could have been made here in america. but a company called global tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing... under sweatshop conditions in china. when mitt romney led bain, they saw global tech as a good investment... even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting... low-wage labor to its investors. mitt romney - tough on china? since when? [ wife ] a beached whale! lawn clippings! a mattress. a sausage link. mermaid. honey!? driftwood. come on, you gotta help us out here a little. [ male announcer ] febreze eliminates odors and leaves carpets fresh. ♪ [ male announcer ] febreze. eliminates odors and leaves carpets fresh. ♪ >>> it is 15 minutes past the hour. cdc says it expects to see more cases of a deadly meningitis outbreak. 26 people have been sickened in five states. four have died. the culprit, a steroid injection given to the spine to treat pain and inflammation. the company that makes the drug is conducting a voluntary
i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. these appliances could have been made here in america. but a company called global tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing... under sweatshop conditions in china. when mitt romney led bain, they saw global tech as a good investment... even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting... low-wage labor to its investors. mitt romney - tough on china? since when? [ wife ] a beached whale! lawn clippings! a mattress. a...
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obama has -- president obama has always been a very pragmatic leader, very pragmatic when it comes to debating, and very pragmatic when it comes to his campaign. he used this opportunity to open it up so he can actually at the end of the day sway the independent voter but by going out of the gate -- going after his base immediately, that doesn't help him to move the needle for the independent voters he needs. >> bill, lath night mr. romney described the dodd frank reform law as the biggest kiss to new york banks i have ever seen. you have worked with some of those banks. so was it? or is that the biggest lie mr. romney told last night? >> as george kos stanza says, it's not a lie if you believe it. it's one of the most cynical comments we heard last night because i don't think i have ever heard mitt romney actually defend regulation. he actually said i'm going to scrap dodd/frank and put in place new regulations, presumably tougher regulations. if this is a kiss, he wants tougher regulations. let's stipulate for a moment that most of wall street is already in mitt romney's pocket, alr
obama has -- president obama has always been a very pragmatic leader, very pragmatic when it comes to debating, and very pragmatic when it comes to his campaign. he used this opportunity to open it up so he can actually at the end of the day sway the independent voter but by going out of the gate -- going after his base immediately, that doesn't help him to move the needle for the independent voters he needs. >> bill, lath night mr. romney described the dodd frank reform law as the...
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if you want to talk about specifics, look at what president obama said. >> talk about mr. romney. if you're going to talk about the president, we will have to close the discussion now, but if you're -- >> this is a martin game here, of course. let's not beat up on the president -- >> we're just talking about mr. romney. >> the fact of the matter is what i said at the outseth still stands. i think it's about a vision of where you want to take the country and how you want to move forward. as it relates to his tax plan, he has said very clearly that, a, he wants to cut certain tax loopholes, b, he wants to keep the bush era tax cut rates in place, and c, we need to make sure we can work with congress in a bipartisan fashion to get it done. i think that's very fair, i think it's a question that will be asked of him tomorrow by jim lehrer. >> it's also been deemed as mathematically impossible. thank you. as the candidates gear up, we are headed to denver. we will broadcast live from the university of denver, so be sure to tune in tomorrow, 4:00 p.m. eastern. >>> next, the 47 and bain.
if you want to talk about specifics, look at what president obama said. >> talk about mr. romney. if you're going to talk about the president, we will have to close the discussion now, but if you're -- >> this is a martin game here, of course. let's not beat up on the president -- >> we're just talking about mr. romney. >> the fact of the matter is what i said at the outseth still stands. i think it's about a vision of where you want to take the country and how you want...
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obama is going to say that he has made a lot of progress bute basically going to ask for mor. time to finish the job. t the romney camp says this is where their guy is going to be tough on obama's record in the economy over the last four years and he will say barack obama made a lot of promises in 2008 and hasn't kept the promises. they don't worry about their are guy being likeable and say the key is to stay on offense. the other battle over the plans for the next four years where o obama will be tough on romney and say this is a guy who wants to give tax cuts to the wealthc and to voucherrize medicare. romney will say he is the defender of the middle class. t both sides say this could get heated tonight. >> chris, thank you. >> good evening. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs moderating this debate. >> i'm jim lehrer and welcome you to the first of the 2012l presidential debates between president barack obama the democratic nominee and former, massachusetts governor mitt romney the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice presidential, are sp
obama is going to say that he has made a lot of progress bute basically going to ask for mor. time to finish the job. t the romney camp says this is where their guy is going to be tough on obama's record in the economy over the last four years and he will say barack obama made a lot of promises in 2008 and hasn't kept the promises. they don't worry about their are guy being likeable and say the key is to stay on offense. the other battle over the plans for the next four years where o obama will...
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just moments from now, we expect president obama and his republican challenger, mitt romney, to take the stage for the first of three presidential debates. both candidates have spent most the cameras to prepare for tonight's debate. for governor romney, he has logged plenty of debate time during the gop primaries but he has not gone head-to-head the presidency untillnow. tonight's face-off will focus on domessic policy, including health care, the role of governments, and the number one issue on voters' minds, the economy. you can expect both candidates to have a say on the 8.1% of the unemployment rate and the national debt. keep in mind with early voting under way in 10 states already, many americans have already cast their ballots. still governor romney and presideet obama have plenty of opportunity to hurt or help their campaign in the next nine minutes. no cheering, no. now, the moderator, jim lehrer of pbs. >> good evening from maaness arena at the university of denver in denver colorado. i am jim lehrer of pbs news hour, and i welcome the new to the first of the 2012 presidenti
just moments from now, we expect president obama and his republican challenger, mitt romney, to take the stage for the first of three presidential debates. both candidates have spent most the cameras to prepare for tonight's debate. for governor romney, he has logged plenty of debate time during the gop primaries but he has not gone head-to-head the presidency untillnow. tonight's face-off will focus on domessic policy, including health care, the role of governments, and the number one issue on...
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they think obama didn't study. they think obama didn't care enough. they think obama whatever. as long as romney shows up as he shows up last night, they don't have a chance. >> what do you think, juan? >> you know what? obama definitely has to be more energetic. he's got to take -- present fire and fight and bring the argument to mr. romney. >> he needs to be the old obama from that 2007 speech. >> yeah. >> put some lies out there. >> bill maher and chris rock said they want the old obama back. >> you said that earlier, i believe. the georgetown university professor, michael eric bison said that was the whole problem, that barak obama didn't want to come off as angry. and those videos and he blamed it on fox news and sean hannity for airing it, ruined the mojo for the president. >> we might have found out why president obama was having such a hard time last night. can you roll the video of the last one we have lined up? >> keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. [ laughter ] they're making me do my home homework. >> waaa. making me do my homework. i don't know. look, if
they think obama didn't study. they think obama didn't care enough. they think obama whatever. as long as romney shows up as he shows up last night, they don't have a chance. >> what do you think, juan? >> you know what? obama definitely has to be more energetic. he's got to take -- present fire and fight and bring the argument to mr. romney. >> he needs to be the old obama from that 2007 speech. >> yeah. >> put some lies out there. >> bill maher and chris...
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tavis: what would you ask president obama? >> mr. president, in the second term, what are you going to do to get the american people on your side even more so we can break this deadlock? how are you going to face these interest groups that have been blocking so much so that we can finally get to the kinds of long-term investments that we know you want, but have not occurred yet? addressing our energy crisis, addressing the environmental crisis, addressing the skills and jobs crisis. how are going to pay for that? how're you going to get it done? tavis: do you think senator obama when he became president and try to hold on to the pledge to reform washington, how naive was he in thinking he could overturn a system that is more and more controlled by lobbyists? >> well, i wonder. you know, he had the right message. it galvanized the country. he had of course tremendous popularity at the beginning but he brought a lot of these interest groups right back into government as he came in in 2009. too much wall street, too much of the private
tavis: what would you ask president obama? >> mr. president, in the second term, what are you going to do to get the american people on your side even more so we can break this deadlock? how are you going to face these interest groups that have been blocking so much so that we can finally get to the kinds of long-term investments that we know you want, but have not occurred yet? addressing our energy crisis, addressing the environmental crisis, addressing the skills and jobs crisis. how...
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chris: will barack obama do well in the town hall format? we asked the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars, will obama make effective use of the stuff he kept off the table in the first debate? 10 say yes and two say no. andrea, he couldn't do worse. >> on "hardball" the night after the debate, you did a better debate. chris: i had the gift of hindsight. is he going to do it this thursday? >> the format is actually better for him because he'll be talking to people and reacting to them but at the same time i don't know there's ever as good a format as the first one which was free sailing. he had unlimited time to make his points and respond to the agenda. chris: the other guy proved how much time he can take. >> the most memorable moments in all the debates i've watched have happened in this town hall meeting format and most of them have involved body language. the limitations of this format is that it is tougher to get angry and respond in a tough way to your opponent because people might say -- might grown and say they didn't like it. >> the
chris: will barack obama do well in the town hall format? we asked the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars, will obama make effective use of the stuff he kept off the table in the first debate? 10 say yes and two say no. andrea, he couldn't do worse. >> on "hardball" the night after the debate, you did a better debate. chris: i had the gift of hindsight. is he going to do it this thursday? >> the format is actually better for him because he'll be talking to people and...
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>> why didn't obama say that? >> why didn't obama say that? yeah, we have established he could have had a better debate, if he had been more, what, up on the sound bites, if you will. and also if he didn't stirt like i do, but the fact is that romney was giving the impression all this money was going to solyndra. it is not. even solyndra isn't that bad but that's a question for another time. >> this country is on the way to energy independence because of fracking, because of the new technologies that enable us to get both natural gas and oil out of shale that we never were able to do before. that is going to change the whole economy of this country and dramatically reduce our dependency on the middle east. it's long overdue. >> wind and solar is like 1% of that 90 billion that romney cited. there was also money there, 3 billion to clean up a nuclear plant. so again, he played with the figures. but the romney that showed up the other night was not the romney we saw on the campaign trail earlier. he suddenly is now
>> why didn't obama say that? >> why didn't obama say that? yeah, we have established he could have had a better debate, if he had been more, what, up on the sound bites, if you will. and also if he didn't stirt like i do, but the fact is that romney was giving the impression all this money was going to solyndra. it is not. even solyndra isn't that bad but that's a question for another time. >> this country is on the way to energy independence because of fracking, because of...
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obama will accept for the national debt. that was pointed out by steve croft and here is what the president had to say. >> i inherited the biggest deficit in our history. over the last four years, the deficit has gone up but 90% is a consequence of two wars that weren't paid for, as consequence of tax cuts that weren't paid for. a prescription drug plan that wasn't paid for and worst economic crisis since the great depression. that accounts for 10% for the increase in the deficit. >> we asked editor james free man to run the numbers. so let's take these one by one. did president obama inherit the biggest deficit in american history? >> it wasn't the biggest and he didn't inherit it. world war ii had bigger deficits. he didn't really inherit it. he helped create it. 2009 was the first year in office and especially something he doesn't seem to want to remember, stimulus $8000 billion. >> paul: as a share of the economy it was 3.2%. it did balloon to 10.1% in 2009. i would give president bush some credit for that because in fac
obama will accept for the national debt. that was pointed out by steve croft and here is what the president had to say. >> i inherited the biggest deficit in our history. over the last four years, the deficit has gone up but 90% is a consequence of two wars that weren't paid for, as consequence of tax cuts that weren't paid for. a prescription drug plan that wasn't paid for and worst economic crisis since the great depression. that accounts for 10% for the increase in the deficit....
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the obama campaign knows it. and i think you're going to -- i'll be curious to see tonight, who says the words -- the number "47" more. president obama or mitt romney in defending himself, if you will. who's saying 100% more, which has been the romney line on this. so ultimately, i feel like that is the sort of stylistic substance, if you will combine it, if you will, that i'm watching tonight and seeing how romney does this. >> chuck, in terms of how much that 47% remark hurt mr. romney, i think part of the reason that it hurt so badly is because it dovetailed with the personal attributes of mr. romney in terms of him being a really wealthy guy. the questions about his own tax status and things like that. the question of how much his tax plans will help wealthy people like himself. is there any sign that the romney campaign has come up with sort of an anecdote to their 47% problem. a different way to explain that, other than the, what i think have been sort of weak responses to trying to explain it away over the
the obama campaign knows it. and i think you're going to -- i'll be curious to see tonight, who says the words -- the number "47" more. president obama or mitt romney in defending himself, if you will. who's saying 100% more, which has been the romney line on this. so ultimately, i feel like that is the sort of stylistic substance, if you will combine it, if you will, that i'm watching tonight and seeing how romney does this. >> chuck, in terms of how much that 47% remark hurt...
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the conventions were great on that for obama. and so you could see coming into this, in which they say, look, we are ahead, you are the president, we don't want you out there waving around the 47 percent number. be presidential. but that doesn't really work in debates for all of the reasons we are talking about here, you have an opponent, when romney ride to do it in the republican debate it didn't really work when he had a lead at one point he tried to stay above the fray and he engaged gingrich in a later debate and it worked better and i think the challenge for them now, for the obama team now is, they clearly can't follow the strategy in the second debate. what they also want to avoid a situation that happened with al fore where, al gore where you are seeing a different human being on the stage in the second debate than you are in the first debate. >> rose: go ahead. >> i think there is a certain starkness in the debate that you don't have in the convention. the contrast is extraordinary, in a convention, you are idolized 20,
the conventions were great on that for obama. and so you could see coming into this, in which they say, look, we are ahead, you are the president, we don't want you out there waving around the 47 percent number. be presidential. but that doesn't really work in debates for all of the reasons we are talking about here, you have an opponent, when romney ride to do it in the republican debate it didn't really work when he had a lead at one point he tried to stay above the fray and he engaged...